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    A couple big reasons RPers don't last here:

    Difficulty: This is the underlying problem, and is directly related to my subpoints here. Roleplayers, by their nature and for the most part, are not powergamers or PvP professionals. There are certainly some exceptions, but for the most part we don't roll 15 7x characters, farm religiously, run 3 afk fishers 24/7. We make our main characters and maybe some support characters, but nothing to the extent that a powergamer does. The grind on IPY in terms of skill gain is still just too hard. I have 2 characters on IPY. One is my main, Veis Driance, who is 7x. The other is a mage with skills in the 80's. When the server started, it was great fun to build up your character, rush for house spots, stake your claims, etc. Now that that shine is gone, I am just not willing to put in the time to build up another character. I'm sure there is a similar mindset here. Roleplay consistently pops up on shards like hybrid, or other places where skill gain is easy. The reason is a roleplayer can make a viable player in a day, then get into what they came to do originally, which is roleplay. I appreciate and understand the philosophy you have for your shard Az pertaining to skill gain. Unfortunately I don't think the result is what you were hoping for.

    Red penalties. A strong orc presence is the cornerstone of all the RP communities I have played in from Catskills to IPY 2.0 and most of our RP has been shaped around interaction with orc clans. The areas around the orc fort is a good start. I would make those count free, pally free zones. People who go in are still blue, but cannot give counts and any pallys who kill there would not have any adverse effect on their victims. I would personally like to see penalties on reds lessened and have groups of orcs wandering the map and raiding dungeons at will, but I think the above suggestion would be a fair compromise. The problem like I said is all rooted in the tough skill gain. Orcs like to RP and PvP, they aren't powergamers and don't have the time or resources needed to bring a character back up from stat-loss.

    Content: Theres a lot of good things here on IPY, its mostly focused on PvP, as a long-time PvPer I support this mindset wholeheartedly. I won't get off topic here and go into OCB or other changes to the PvP mechs as that is a different can of worms all together. Like I said above, a lot of RPers aren't here to PvP, or at least to the extent that those who play solely to PvP are. For the latter, the PvE and dungeon crawling, crafting and other forms of play are done almost exclusively to fuel their PvP characters. For roleplayers however, a big part of their gaming experience is outside of the realm of PvP. A lot of my guild mates don't particularly enjoy getting slaughtered in OCB by people who are far and beyond what they can ever hope to or care to achieve in terms of PvP skill. I personally enjoy going up against the PvP mages out there, but believe it or not some of the most fun I've had in UO is large scale dexxer battles. The main point I'm driving at here is that RPers, and the shard as a whole needs more content. We need champ spawns, more dungeons, more overland spawn. If you make a champ spawn with a very small chance to drop a rare, you will instantly stir up the shard. Tamers will be out, people will step on each others toes trying to farm the area, reds will come in, etc, etc.

    Thats it for me for now I'll probably add to this later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veis Driance (Yew) View Post
    A couple big reasons RPers don't last here:

    Difficulty: This is the underlying problem, and is directly related to my subpoints here. Roleplayers, by their nature and for the most part, are not powergamers or PvP professionals. There are certainly some exceptions, but for the most part we don't roll 15 7x characters, farm religiously, run 3 afk fishers 24/7. We make our main characters and maybe some support characters, but nothing to the extent that a powergamer does. The grind on IPY in terms of skill gain is still just too hard. I have 2 characters on IPY. One is my main, Veis Driance, who is 7x. The other is a mage with skills in the 80's. When the server started, it was great fun to build up your character, rush for house spots, stake your claims, etc. Now that that shine is gone, I am just not willing to put in the time to build up another character. I'm sure there is a similar mindset here. Roleplay consistently pops up on shards like hybrid, or other places where skill gain is easy. The reason is a roleplayer can make a viable player in a day, then get into what they came to do originally, which is roleplay. I appreciate and understand the philosophy you have for your shard Az pertaining to skill gain. Unfortunately I don't think the result is what you were hoping for.

    Red penalties. A strong orc presence is the cornerstone of all the RP communities I have played in from Catskills to IPY 2.0 and most of our RP has been shaped around interaction with orc clans. The areas around the orc fort is a good start. I would make those count free, pally free zones. People who go in are still blue, but cannot give counts and any pallys who kill there would not have any adverse effect on their victims. I would personally like to see penalties on reds lessened and have groups of orcs wandering the map and raiding dungeons at will, but I think the above suggestion would be a fair compromise. The problem like I said is all rooted in the tough skill gain. Orcs like to RP and PvP, they aren't powergamers and don't have the time or resources needed to bring a character back up from stat-loss.

    Content: Theres a lot of good things here on IPY, its mostly focused on PvP, as a long-time PvPer I support this mindset wholeheartedly. I won't get off topic here and go into OCB or other changes to the PvP mechs as that is a different can of worms all together. Like I said above, a lot of RPers aren't here to PvP, or at least to the extent that those who play solely to PvP are. For the latter, the PvE and dungeon crawling, crafting and other forms of play are done almost exclusively to fuel their PvP characters. For roleplayers however, a big part of their gaming experience is outside of the realm of PvP. A lot of my guild mates don't particularly enjoy getting slaughtered in OCB by people who are far and beyond what they can ever hope to or care to achieve in terms of PvP skill. I personally enjoy going up against the PvP mages out there, but believe it or not some of the most fun I've had in UO is large scale dexxer battles. The main point I'm driving at here is that RPers, and the shard as a whole needs more content. We need champ spawns, more dungeons, more overland spawn. If you make a champ spawn with a very small chance to drop a rare, you will instantly stir up the shard. Tamers will be out, people will step on each others toes trying to farm the area, reds will come in, etc, etc.

    Thats it for me for now I'll probably add to this later
    Alright. So what I'm hearing from an established leader in the RP community (thank you for posting) is concerns about skill gain and general content level that's non-PvP or PvP related (which I suppose includes fire dungeon and such?).
    Az

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    I`ll do a tl;dr version of veis post:

    -make skill gain faster
    -make changes to bring red orcs here
    -develop more content ( not as rewards for ocb)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfie Garganey View Post
    I`ll do a tl;dr version of veis post:

    -make skill gain faster
    -make changes to bring red orcs here
    -develop more content ( not as rewards for ocb)
    Orcs start RP. Always have, always will.

    Most roleplayers who start their own seperate roleplaying communities and guilds also have orc characters or started off as orcs.

    an Orcs job is to kill people and orcs have never flourished on a server with statloss and having to jump through hoops to resurect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCool View Post
    I like to role play a thief that is not happening here.
    Successful stealing on IPY2 is a team sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eminem View Post
    Orcs start RP. Always have, always will.

    Most roleplayers who start their own seperate roleplaying communities and guilds also have orc characters or started off as orcs.

    an Orcs job is to kill people and orcs have never flourished on a server with statloss and having to jump through hoops to resurect.
    OSI? I'd call that flourishing.
    Nothing personal


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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post
    Alright. So what I'm hearing from an established leader in the RP community (thank you for posting) is concerns about skill gain and general content level that's non-PvP or PvP related (which I suppose includes fire dungeon and such?).
    How is it possible for you to read that post and just nonchalantly ignore the criticism of red penalties? I swear to god, someday (soon, mind you) when IPY is populated only by a single player, even his criticisms of the red penalties will fall on deaf ears. How many years in and players lost does it take for this to be a legitimate topic of conversation?

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    Aarlock, Az has posted saying there are big changes to Paladins vs Reds with 2.5.

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