A Plea to the Villainous King Tides!

[Wyrm'gard]

To our reprobate King of Seamen,

Can nothing be done to protect our treasury in Nujel'm ? I understand there's not much gold in there but what I don't understand is how much it would cost to erect some sort of wall to protect it. We plebs are not savvy to such gerent information.

If you have valid reasons for not protecting our treasury please share them with us. However if we can afford it should we not?

Thank you o' profligate Sultan of the Sea; may your legs never adjust to the land.

[Judgement]

King of Semen

I couldn't resist

[Tenebrion]

Honestly, the only reason to defend a treasury is so that the King can continue to withdraw from it, and dole it out to the public or his supporters.

There's really very little justification for anyone beyond the King to be upset over the loss of a treasury, and no reason why anyone should be upset over the loss of tiny treasuries.

[Wyrm'gard]

Do not the funds for maintining your towns guard support level come out of the treasury? What I'm worried about is if the Nujel'm treasury gets stolen.... will we no longer have enough gold to keep the guard level at normal?

[Tenebrion]

The funds from the treasury support the factional guards, yes - but generally the factional guards aren't worth a whole heck of a lot other than to prevent your city from getting captured, and thus, your treasury from being stolen. So, in other words, the only thing you can spend your treasury on is ensuring that you don't lose it, which brings me back to my original claim that it's just not something worth worrying over.

[Stephan]

The funds from the treasury support the factional guards, yes - but generally the factional guards aren't worth a whole heck of a lot other than to prevent your city from getting captured, and thus, your treasury from being stolen. So, in other words, the only thing you can spend your treasury on is ensuring that you don't lose it, which brings me back to my original claim that it's just not something worth worrying over.

Best reason that kings need more options for treasury gold spelled out right here

[Wyrm'gard]

OK so the standard guard level (not faction guards) is NOT paid for out of the treasury?

[Tenebrion]

Best reason that kings need more options for treasury gold spelled out right here

Exactly, and I've been saying it for months now.


OK so the standard guard level (not faction guards) is NOT paid for out of the treasury?

It is, yes, but your city's daily income ideally is what funds the standard guard level. In other words, no treasury theft should ever result in the loss of guard-protection, unless your city's tax level is set to such a level as to result in a daily deficit. This is why most cities have to maintain a minimum of a 10-15% (or even higher) tax rate ; anything less than that results in a daily net-loss due to the upkeep of guard protection levels.

[Wyrm'gard]

Alright I see what you are saying now; thanks for the clarifications!

[Dreadbane]

It is, yes, but your city's daily income ideally is what funds the standard guard level. In other words, no treasury theft should ever result in the loss of guard-protection, unless your city's tax level is set to such a level as to result in a daily deficit. This is why most cities have to maintain a minimum of a 10-15% (or even higher) tax rate ; anything less than that results in a daily net-loss due to the upkeep of guard protection levels.

Also, just for those who hare curious, daily upkeep of passive guards is determined by your cities active population. That's why some cities (such as Trinsic) have been able to keep rates as low as 5%, because our level of active population is smaller compared to a place like brit, which nearly every new player initially decides to become a citizen of. Thus, Nu'jelms daily upkeep is probably practically nothing.

Edit: Also, even the 0 cost guard rate (lowest guards possible) they still guard whack people who pk in town. Higher guard rates specifically only have a negative impact on stealing

[Deuce]

The town has a low population so the daily upkeep of standard guards is cheap. It was only like 6k/day to hold these guards and the town generates that easily just through reg sales. Highest I ever saw the treasury jump to was about 20k, someone must have bought a large house that day.

Honestly I don't see a point. Small towns seem to end with a circular cashflow problem. Low population means you don't have much cashflow to erect defenses, but the town guards cost little to maintain so nobody really cares if the treasury gets stolen anyway. The easy steals make the treasury stay low.

So, nothing to spend money on, and don't have any money anyway, *shrug*

Kings really need more options.

[Wyrm'gard]

King Tides has spoken only the truth; ye shall all listen and rejoice!

[EvadableMoxie]

It was 6k when I stole it Saturday, which I'm fairly sure is less then what it costs to make walls. (unless thats based on population too?)

I only stole it because I was bored and wanted to keep my streak alive. (I've stolen 1 treasury every week for the past 3 weeks)

Of course it was bugged so it ended up being an even bigger waste of time, but seriously, its not realistic to expect whoever is running Nujel'm to defend an empty treasury.

[Bacon_Narwhal]

There's really very little justification for anyone beyond the King to be upset over the loss of a treasury, and no reason why anyone should be upset over the loss of tiny treasuries.

With respect, your Majesty, for some it is a matter of civic pride. If one's city shall be assaulted by brigands or robbed by infamous thieves it may be beyond the abilities of the city to resist them. Some amount of resistance, no matter how token, should be put up as a simple means of asserting the city's sovereignty and dedication to the rule of law and the protection of it's citizens.

[Tenebrion]

With respect, your Majesty, for some it is a matter of civic pride.

If pride is the concern, then I will say this : an active militia defense to hold the city on Saturday will do a lot more than a treasury wall or a handful of guards. If your city isn't conquered by the enemy on Saturday, the treasury can't be stolen.

Anyone who's pride has been hurt by the theft should take it upon themselves to join the militia, get organized, and prevent the loss of their city in the future.