Number of accounts/chars

[Huuka]

I played a few other shards that had the makings of being great but where plagued by everyone having multiple accounts and chars. This helped kill the economy and made it near imposable for crafters to make a living. Not to mention the problem with people "ghosting" hot spots waiting for people to show up. One thing that made UO great back in the day was the fact that not everyone had 25 chars to fill their every UO need and so you had to build relationships with the people on the server.

Well here is my question. How many accounts/chars will we be allowed? I have poured over the forums over the last few days and I may have missed it if its been addressed.

[redHusarz]

I'm interested in knowing this too. I experienced ghosting myself and I know what a pain it can be. I do enjoy having 2 accounts though so I can macro one char and do something else with the other. If there was a strict rule to only have one or two account and an efficient way to police it with the possibility of account ban when caught I would support it. The problem is it can easily be avoided. GM's can look at your ip but that's easy to hide and some people play in a household where siblings or roomates play too.

Maybe one thing that could be done is only allow account registration with gmail. My gmail account required me to put in a cell phone so a code can be texted to me for re-registeration. Other people I know had the same experience with gmail and I know of another site that only allows registrations with gmail accounts.

They can also monitor ips and monitor in game activities. Also, the possibility of account ban acts as a deterrent.

[Jay]

would that even work for people outside of US/CA though? There are a lot of things like that on the internet that wont work for people Europe/Asia/Australia/South America etc..

[bubba]

I'm interested in knowing this too. I experienced ghosting myself and I know what a pain it can be. I do enjoy having 2 accounts though so I can macro one char and do something else with the other. If there was a strict rule to only have one or two account and an efficient way to police it with the possibility of account ban when caught I would support it. The problem is it can easily be avoided. GM's can look at your ip but that's easy to hide and some people play in a household where siblings or roomates play too.

Maybe one thing that could be done is only allow account registration with gmail. My gmail account required me to put in a cell phone so a code can be texted to me for re-registeration. Other people I know had the same experience with gmail and I know of another site that only allows registrations with gmail accounts.

They can also monitor ips and monitor in game activities. Also, the possibility of account ban acts as a deterrent.

I like the gmail idea... But people will still abuse

[abm]

wtb 1 account per player. You don't *need* two accounts. Make friends, macro with them.

[Jay]

wtb 1 account per player. You don't *need* two accounts. Make friends, macro with them.

Agreed. Online registration and one account per player...

[abm]

Jay wanna macro with me?

[Jay]

all day! lol

[abm]

See folks. It's that easy. You only need one account.

[Soulblighter]

It simply won't be possible to try all the new features of IPY with 5 characters, though.

It sounds like you guys really want to ban multiple logins from the same IP. Which is a completely different issue.

[redHusarz]

It simply won't be possible to try all the new features of IPY with 5 characters, though.

It sounds like you guys really want to ban multiple logins from the same IP. Which is a completely different issue.

What do you mean it's a different issue? Everyone in this thread is pretty much talking about the same thing. We don't want everybody to have more than one account because it causes problems with economy and balance. We're simply discussing possibilities to prevent it and one way is to check IPs (even though it's easy to bypass).

[Soulblighter]

So you think that having 10 characters instead of 5 ruins balance and economy?

Most people seem to be saying that there should be 1 account so that you don't 2-box macro fighting skills, stealing, etc. Ok, fine.

But I generally like to have:

Tankmage
Thief
Tamer
2 mules (one a builder, the other a scribe/alch)

But now there's also pirates, paladins, who knows what. 5 is going to seem lower than ever.

Now I can see how the simple fact that everyone can make a mule or two can impact the economy. But people talking about macroing and such are clearly talking about 2-boxing.

[Basia]

One account will not work for me. Thanks.

[Bill Stryker]

One account will not work for me. Thanks.

Limit it to 1 acct per IP with permission to have more on a case by case basis. It's absolutly retarded to have 3 accts with all forms of pvper/pker/traders on them. You need to make a choice and give up a trade of some sort. No more having 3 toons working at all times and watch the whole economy/pvm/pvp system go up in smoke.

[redHusarz]

So you think that having 10 characters instead of 5 ruins balance and economy?

It probably wont be a single causal factor but but sure wont help.

For balance, my biggest issue is ghosting. If you have multiple accounts and you're a pk, tamer, IDOC hunter or whatever, you can just make a bunch of ghosts and place each one at a "hotspot'. Doing this allows you to monitor multiple locations at once. As a red you can monitor popular spots where blues go and know every time one goes there. As a tamer you can monitor when the next rare spawn occurs. As an IDOC hunter you can safely wait for the next house decay. etc...

I remember playing on another server and every time I'd go kill something at a good spawn, magically within minutes a group of pks gate in, kill me, gate out. They basically all had multiple clients/computers running that had ghosts at different locations.

With economy. Well if you have an account for every type of crafter and resource gatherer you don't need anybody else. MMO economies thrive on cooperation and it would encourage more interacting and trading.

[Slayerik]

2 accounts per IP. Case by case basis doesn't work. If people want to macro fighting skills, it's not the end of the world. People will cheat and abuse anyway, then they will be the only ones with that advantage.

[Quantum]

See my issue is, my roommate and I, we both play UO. I have another roommate we're going to try to suck in. And my co-worker who is at my house literally every day. That's 4 people right there playing from my IP address. With hopefully 2 accounts (10 chars) each. I'm not some crazy powergamer, I just live with my friends. What do we do in this situation if it's one account per IP?

[Soulblighter]

With economy. Well if you have an account for every type of crafter and resource gatherer you don't need anybody else. MMO economies thrive on cooperation and it would encourage more interacting and trading.

I think you are overestimating the number of people who take the time to GM tradeskills. If you really do GM everything then you shouldn't need anybody else; you've sunk in millions of gp and hundreds of hours, for fuck's sake.

That said, having made a bunch of mules, I will GLADLY buy ingots and boards any day of the week. Mining is just not worth the time and risk anymore. Boards are much easier and safer to get but I'll still buy them because lost time is worse than lost profits.

[Budikah]

See my issue is, my roommate and I, we both play UO. I have another roommate we're going to try to suck in. And my co-worker who is at my house literally every day. That's 4 people right there playing from my IP address. With hopefully 2 accounts (10 chars) each. I'm not some crazy powergamer, I just live with my friends. What do we do in this situation if it's one account per IP?

Exceptions can be made of course. I'm sure they'll figure out your case.

[Shodan]

Limit it to 1 acct per IP with permission to have more on a case by case basis. It's absolutly retarded to have 3 accts with all forms of pvper/pker/traders on them. You need to make a choice and give up a trade of some sort. No more having 3 toons working at all times and watch the whole economy/pvm/pvp system go up in smoke.

This, this, this.

Seriously, I cannot stress enough how much I get pissed off each time I get suddenly swarmed out of nowhere by a bunch of clairvoyant reds on a shard only to find a never-moving ghost named "GHOST_RECON_08" standing near where I died.

Any multiple log-ons from the same IP can be evaluated individually. It shouldn't be too hard to find out who has multiple people logging on from the same IP legit, and who just has crafting alts or ghost spotter alts.

To ease experimenting with several templates so people can pick whichever playstyle suits them most, there should be no cooldown for deleting characters. Ie you should be able to delete a character only 3 minutes old to start a new one.

Having only one character would also increase people's investment in them, making the whole thing more visceral. It would feel more like you are literally your character, instead of just considering him a minor part of your well-oiled dexxer-hallymage-ghostspotter-crafter war machine.

The benefits for a cooperative economy have already been pointed out.

[Quantum]

Personally I think 2 accounts per person is the best way to go. I don't want to wrestle my way to 100.0 on some kind of bone wall.

[SoulStealer A.O]

Well what about those of us who have more then one person in the same house who want to play?

Also, the problem with Ghosting is removed by making it so they have to be in warmode in order to see players and creatures, this way, there is no surprise if they are there. 1 account per IP isn't a big deal for me, as long as those of us with another person in the house who want to play can be accomidated.

[Seneschal]

Well what about those of us who have more then one person in the same house who want to play?

Also, the problem with Ghosting is removed by making it so they have to be in warmode in order to see players and creatures, this way, there is no surprise if they are there. 1 account per IP isn't a big deal for me, as long as those of us with another person in the house who want to play can be accomidated.

I actually really like that idea. If you're hidden to them, then you shouldn't be able to see them too. Hmmmmmmmmm

[Basia]

Personally I think 2 accounts per person is the best way to go. I don't want to wrestle my way to 100.0 on some kind of bone wall.

I would prefer this. Also, I'm thinking long term. I will need to switch money between chars, there are numerous things I want to train (and will need the extra hand), and some other reasons I'd rather not go in to.

I'm not gonna be heartbroken if it's only 1 account, though.

[abm]

I think the majority of the playerbase can be trusted with two accounts and would use them properly. No problem with making it two accounts over one. My angst is towards exploiting free shards that I have seen done over and over again.

[SoulStealer A.O]

I actually really like that idea. If you're hidden to them, then you shouldn't be able to see them too. Hmmmmmmmmm

Yeah man, I've played on a server where this was in effect. Pretty good and like I said, it calms people down about the whole "ghosting" thing.

[Az]

First of all, I love the bone wall.

Second of all, I like the ghost idea.

THIRD of all - The bone wall will happen because skills gain at 200% in dungeons.

[abm]

Chyeah they do. Awesome.

[Shodan]

Personally I think 2 accounts per person is the best way to go. I don't want to wrestle my way to 100.0 on some kind of bone wall.

Hit me up in-game.

I will most likely be wasted IRL as well as in-game, and once that condition holds I am always ready for a pub-fight.

[Jay]

First of all, I love the bone wall.

Second of all, I like the ghost idea.

THIRD of all - The bone wall will happen because skills gain at 200% in dungeons.

After reading this post I give you my 100% support in any and everything you do. I have missed the day of the bone knight wall and I was praying this would come back on some server one day!

On that note, just because I give you my support doesnt mean I'm not going to be vocal about every single issue :) That's just not me! My vote here is 1 account per player... I don't know what kind of measures you want to put in but definately some kind of case by case for households with multiple players. The early days of UO when everyone only had one account you HAD to rely on other people for things, the bk wall, buying/selling muled wears, getting gates... It creates a good community, it makes you THINK about what characters you make. You'll think twice about making a red if you arnt truely dedicated to being a murderer because if you get put into stat loss (or the equivilent on this server) thats 1 of 5 characters down, not 1 of 10 or worse...

And about the no cool down on deleting characters/remaking that someone suggested earlier. This is in place so people cant farm the start up items/gold so I don't think this could be removed.

[Pariah]

Agree with the 1 account per player sentiment.

[Arradin]

I dont like 2 accounts per person, because peopel would just have 2 chars hitting eachother, instead of being out there and interacting with other players. Meh.

[Bobby Digital]

One player per account and 2 accounts per IP would be so sick. It would really make the player economy thrive. Anyone that has multiple people living with them could be approved by AZ only for more accounts

[irbe / RaekwoN]

Agree with the 1 account per player sentiment.

i wholeheartedly agree. no need to go into the economic reasons why this could be a game changer. two accounts is just taking the piss.

one account = well thought out characters = more meaningful = greater satisfaction.

edit: i also don't see any reason why someone should want to play (or even consider playing) an o/c, paladin, pk, and guild war characters. player class dilution to the max.

[Pud.S]

Anyone could be approved by AZ only for more accounts

Az, got time for a side, side job?

[Az]

Hah.

[Arradin]

i want 11 accounts to make chars and take starting gold.

[Nightfyre]

Well I am for 1 per account it would be beneficial to some if they chose profession skills as they character and profit off of people in need of these people eventually. That way they can't spy with one account character and then bring in their main one.

It opens up more roleplaying for some people and business opportunities for others.

[Huuka]

Was hoping to hear something from Az or gm type person on this subject.

I for one would love to have 1 account and 2-3 chars. My reason behind this is that people that like to make a crafter char will find it more satisfying knowing that they are serving a purpose in game. Along with others reasons that have been mentioned in the above post.

[Jay]

I think 1 with 5 is fine, I'd still play if it were less or more but 1 and 5 is my vote.

[ResNulis]

I'd prefer two accounts; it is useful when trying to transfer materials from one character to another (i.e. gold, arrows, armor, etc.). Otherwise, your crafter would need to lock down the items in your house (which some individuals will likely not have), then you would need to log on with the other character, and then run to the house to get the desired items. As an example, you've crafted to get the materials necessary to start building your first PvP template... unfortunately, you now need to transfer it to the new character. What will you do? Trust the guy you just met to "hold your materials"? I get that it might beneficial for the economy if you had to buy those materials from someone else, but that would come at potentially an additional cost and definitely an increased time investment. Just my two cents; I could be completely wrong (very possible).

[Huuka]

I'd prefer two accounts; it is useful when trying to transfer materials from one character to another (i.e. gold, arrows, armor, etc.). Otherwise, your crafter would need to lock down the items in your house (which some individuals will likely not have), then you would need to log on with the other character, and then run to the house to get the desired items. As an example, you've crafted to get the materials necessary to start building your first PvP template... unfortunately, you now need to transfer it to the new character. What will you do? Trust the guy you just met to "hold your materials"? I get that it might beneficial for the economy if you had to buy those materials from someone else, but that would come at potentially an additional cost and definitely an increased time investment. Just my two cents; I could be completely wrong (very possible).

Yes but if you think about it thats what made uo great. You were forced to make new friends and trusting them with stuff like that helped build bonds. Also when uo had come out not every one had two accounts to be able to do those kinda things you are talking about. This is also just my two cents. Would still love to hear from one of the admins on this.

[Thayn]

I think one is fine. The only issue I see is where there are families where there is more than person in the house who plays IPY, and are only on one at a time, and want separate accounts. I'm sure this has already been considered, however.

I think only having one account really does help promote a need to build relationships with others. Sure, you can do a lot on your own, but sometimes you just need that extra hand. I'd rather see someone make a friend, or take their chances, than simply open up another executable.

Just my opinion, of course.

[Woodlife]

Az, got time for a side, side job?

No shit. I mean the guys probably about to go on a huge sex benge cause he's probably not going to get laid while IPY Beta is running (cyber banging the seer doesn't count).
I'm sure he won't have time to eat healthy and will balloon up in weight...
All his hair will fall out due to stress...
He will get laid off his job due to lack of preformance...


Poor poor man that Azeroth.


We all need to keep him in our prayers... God knows he's in for it. lol

[Slayerik]

If it is limited to 1 account per IP I'll have an advantage on y'all suckas. Just saying. That's why I say why bother restricting? And it's more of a headache for staff, having to listen to BS exception stuff.

Hey Az, my dog plays IPY too. I need another account allowed.

[abm]

If it is limited to 1 account per IP I'll have an advantage on y'all suckas. Just saying. That's why I say why bother restricting? And it's more of a headache for staff, having to listen to BS exception stuff.

Hey Az, my dog plays IPY too. I need another account allowed.

Can I buy your dog off you?

[Jay]

Can I buy your dog off you?

Auction that shit.

[Bobby Digital]

Multi-accounting would be very difficult to police. If you could find an effective way to monitor accounts 1 account per person would be a huge benefit to the shard.

[Az]

Officially this hasn't been decided yet. Accounts being free makes this exceptionally difficult to deal with.

[Pud.S]

No shit. I mean the guys probably about to go on a huge sex benge cause he's probably not going to get laid while IPY Beta is running (cyber banging the seer doesn't count).
I'm sure he won't have time to eat healthy and will balloon up in weight...
All his hair will fall out due to stress...
He will get laid off his job due to lack of preformance...


Poor poor man that Azeroth.


We all need to keep him in our prayers... God knows he's in for it. lol

Not funny because you've still got Warcraft on your mind; meet Azaroth. It's supposed to be some sort of mashup name between Angel & Asshole.

[Az]

That's why it's just "Az" now. ;)

It really was a good name before World of Warcraft.

[Jay]

WOW ruins everything.

[Bobby Digital]

Is it possible to charge for accounts and have the fees goto charity?

Does charging for accounts make it illegal? Even if they are a dollar?

[Jack Straw]

I believe it does make it illegal

[abm]

WOW ruins everything.

It really does. Especially your expectations of online games and night elf women.

[Jay]

I believe it does make it illegal

I don't think it would be illegal if you considered it a "donation" otherwise "donating" for in game wares would be illegal also.

[Bobby Digital]

I don't think it would be illegal if you considered it a "donation" otherwise "donating" for in game wares would be illegal also.

Would it be possible to somehow require a donation from a paypal account to receive an ipy account?

Trying to think of a way to monitor one acct per player...

[Daeron]

I don't think it would be illegal if you considered it a "donation" otherwise "donating" for in game wares would be illegal also.

Well a donation, must be voluntary. An involuntary charge to play, sounds like a fee. But then again, I could be wrong.

edit. You would also get something in return for your donation, and that would lead me to believe it is not a donation at all. It is more of a contract quid pro quo.

[abm]

What if you don't donate your characters are limited to 4x

O.o That'd get people paying, or leaving. Or both.

[/notserious]

[SoulStealer A.O]

I have come to realise that two accounts per player is a bad idea. It really does take away from the game when you can play two characters at once. I mean, it becomes a lot easier to do things. For example, you can easily have a dexxy or an archer and have a second account following you around with 50healing/50 anatomy for a quick and easy way to make money. You can also park one character and macro (even to 65skill since there will be RoT on this server) while the other one farms. Easy to macro melee skills, gate your dead characters around and basically keeps the multi-player aspect at a minimum unless you are PvPing or doing some cool PvM thing.

[Brogina]

@soulstealer

Plus you could do what i would do on hybrid. PvP with my alchy dexxer while my bola tamer who just happens to have a dragon out sits 5 seconds away. So if i lose , i can just switch windows and lay a beat down on a weakened opponent(s). Worked like a charm.

[Rogue Hippo]

Well, they said they're having a 'no paladin & pk on the same account' rule so I kind of assume they'll limit accounts somehow. Otherwise that rule is pointless if you can have multiple accounts.

[Pud.S]

This thread questions ye age old question. And I'm seeing a lot of multi-char advantage talk from players with recent playing experience.

I'm curious what the king will say.

[abm]

@soulstealer

Plus you could do what i would do on hybrid. PvP with my alchy dexxer while my bola tamer who just happens to have a dragon out sits 5 seconds away. So if i lose , i can just switch windows and lay a beat down on a weakened opponent(s). Worked like a charm.

This makes you an idiot. Sore loser.

[Quantum]

I'm curious what the king will say.
I hope he rolls around as either British or Blackthorn. Talk about nostalgia...

[Pud.S]

He hides.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2149/redinvaders.jpg

[Brogina]

This makes you an idiot. Sore loser.

No , it makes me an idiot sore loser who kept his stuff.

[Az]

I hope he rolls around as either British or Blackthorn. Talk about nostalgia...

Maybe Dupre?

[Jay]

I hope you bring back some old Brittish v Blackthorn story line in IPY take off where they just dumped it.

[abm]

No , it makes me an idiot sore loser who kept his stuff.

Same thing.

[Romp]

Strong support of 1 account only. Being red has no consequence and nearly everyone rolls one when you can have 2 accounts. That + I think it increases the social value when you need to rely on other people for a list of things.

[Luke]

One account is all you need.

[Diz]

Said months ago human verification and one account limit would be a good idea on the blog. I also think verification should be necessary if you request two accounts to an IP (like if your significant other wants to play too).

Honestly if people are active, not macroing, and not botting, then it isn't such a big deal having multiple accounts.

[Brogina]

In an ideal world , ya 1 account is the best solution (i like it for the encouragement towards a communal approach to gaming) However we do not live in a utopia. If someone wants to open multiple accounts and never be caught , they can. Which would present a significant disadvantage to anyone who doesnt know how to do that. So the handful of people who know how to do this get a significant advantage over the rest of the population....... it just doesnt seem right.

That being said , im all for only 1 account. I just wouldnt want to be in az's shoes trying to enforce that.......

[Romp]

In an ideal world , ya 1 account is the best solution (i like it for the encouragement towards a communal approach to gaming) However we do not live in a utopia.

This game server is free. So as far as Utopian goes, it might as well be Utopian. You and I are in agreeance otherwise.


If someone wants to open multiple accounts and never be caught , they can. Which would present a significant disadvantage to anyone who doesnt know how to do that. So the handful of people who know how to do this get a significant advantage over the rest of the population....... it just doesnt seem right.

It'd be very hard to get by as anyone relevant in terms of skill, money or otherwise and not get caught. Enforcing 1 account would by and largely be effective, and those who tried to find a way around it would be caught eventually by the rest of us playing fairly or by administration.


That being said , im all for only 1 account. I just wouldnt want to be in az's shoes trying to enforce that.......

I'm going to assume that there will be more than AZ helping to administrate this shard. Also, 1 account would not be something you'd have to actively enforce, it's a setting which you can dictate by I.P / Username / Email according to what server you use.

I still think that having two accounts is a terrible idea beyond the fact that it makes shards seem & feel cheap.

[Brogina]

It'd be very hard to get by as anyone relevant in terms of skill, money or otherwise and not get caught. Enforcing 1 account would by and largely be effective, and those who tried to find a way around it would be caught eventually by the rest of us playing fairly or by administration.

You are mistaken. Not in that most wouldnt know how , because that is true , but that someone in the know would get caught. HTTP Tunnel & SocksCap can basically run a proxy on the program of your choice. So basically az's servers would see an ip that isnt yours logging on. It just cant be stopped.

[Romp]

You are mistaken. Not in that most wouldnt know how , because that is true , but that someone in the know would get caught. HTTP Tunnel & SocksCap can basically run a proxy on the program of your choice. So basically az's servers would see an ip that isnt yours logging on. It can be done so one is hiding behind 4 or 5 proxies. It just cant be stopped.

I use a proxy to surf the web and play games, I understand that. What I'm saying is there are other ways to find out. It might take time but there are ways. People can not resist but to tell their closest friends about alts they may have etc and there are ways you can slowly but surely know for sure if it is the same person from another I.P. I'm just saying it's possible.

[Pud.S]

I'm just saying it's possible.

GM Detective.

[Brogina]

Oh i see what you are saying. I suppose with the human error element then yeah , they could be caught.

[Jay]

GM Detective.

lol love it

[Caban the Grey]

In an ideal world , ya 1 account is the best solution (i like it for the encouragement towards a communal approach to gaming) However we do not live in a utopia. If someone wants to open multiple accounts and never be caught , they can. Which would present a significant disadvantage to anyone who doesnt know how to do that. So the handful of people who know how to do this get a significant advantage over the rest of the population....... it just doesnt seem right.

Well, we don't go around avoiding making laws just because a few people are going to break them to gain an advantage... while a few knowledgeable individuals will take advantage of breaking the rules I have to believe that on balance that setting a 1 account per player rules would be beneficial.

And it's a private server, the admins don't need to see you on the same IP if the see accounts obviously behaving in a way that would indicate that someone is using multiple accounts. No burden of proof here.

[Brogina]

They wouldnt be able to see multiple accounts without help from players in game. But that aside.

My objections are not with the laws , i support 1 account , they are with the unfair advantage that a select few will have by breaking those laws. It will also encourage others to learn how to break those laws.

Its like this. If someone came up to you and said "Look. I know how to steal five thousand bucks and not be caught. In fact , its impossible to get caught. The only viable means of apprehension is through your own stupidity. You in? Or you gonna keep working at mcdonalds?" In this scenario , with most risk of being caught removed , most would take this offer. Having a big prize for breaking a rule gives incentives to break that rule. Plus , it will give incentives for people to train others to break that rule. "What? Not computer savvy? Give me 10 minutes and 250k and ill teach you how to cloak your ip in game"

My belief is by limiting to only 1 account you are asking for trouble. Rule of thumb in the computer world is dont piss people off by telling them they cannot do something aka the bad guys always win in the internetz. You dont goad them , you dont tempt them. You avoid them and hope you dont step on ones foot while strolling through the park. My only concern is that this will incite not only those who know how to do so , but those who know to teach others. I just think its a losing cause.

Ya ya , we dont give up on incriminating rapists because we know more will spawn eventually. Yadda yadda. The interwebs are different. People will get around this, and because so, those who dont will be at a disadvantage. ITs not fair for everyone , and its a losing cause. Let people open more than 1 account or lose the fight trying to stop them.

That being said , i AVIDLY support only 1 account. But i know people and i know the webz, this is not a battle worth fighting........ fine, ill give you an example. Ive been beating around the bush here. You have a computer savvy fellow. He finds a way to run uo on proxy. Eventually he slips up and a guildmate finds out, an honest guildmate. He reports to az. Az bans this guys account. Now, you have a knowledgeable fellow whose pissed off. He has 50 sleepers that he has infected with malware all ready to ddos at any given moment. This guy is pissed. He gives the order. His sleepers operate in rotations of 10's. 2 to take down the blog , and 8 to take down the server. Hell , maybe he smurfs it. Either way , ipy2 and the blogs are now down to a large scale ddos attack. He rotates them every 3 days. Keeping servers down for weeks at a time. He lets up for a day or two , to let the trail cool. Then right back to it. Usually blackmail results , but i digress. One pissed off player now has singlehandedly taken out ipy2 , all because he cheated and opened a second account and got banned for it.

This sort of thing happens EVERY DAY. All im saying is anyone smart enough to hide their ip , would likely be smart enough to ruin the server if they were banned for multi accounting. Is that a risk you would be willing to take? I wouldnt personally. I would like to stop multi accounting , but i also dont think its wise to poke bears.

[abm]

but i also dont poke bears

Are you the bear in this story? Should we not poke you?

In all seriousness you raise a good point and hope that people out there aren't so lame as to do what you have outlined. The Internet is a weird place.

[Brogina]

Are you the bear in this story? Should we not poke you?

In all seriousness you raise a good point and hope that people out there aren't so lame as to do what you have outlined. The Internet is a weird place.

Just because i may know how to do something like this doesnt mean i would. I love uo too much. If az said , only 1 account , im only opening 1 account. Uo means that much to me.

But , ya. This exact thing happens daily to websites/servers all over the world. Usually its for monetary gain , aka blackmail , but a lot of times its not. A fired employee , a banned person on a forum or game , or just some script kiddie who does it just to prove he can.

[Jay]

People = shit

[Pud.S]

Brogina, it's as if we are your daily diary.

Each thing I read is all like "I'm", "me", "you"....

For this Halloween, I might just dress up as Brogina, I'll be all like "OooOOoOooO!"

[Pud.S]

Also I guess I'll try to be serious briefly:

Do any of you supporting 1 account per IP just not want to share the game with your girlfriends', or do you simply just not want a girlfriend?

No offense if your answer is the latter, I'm just going to suggest perhaps a little two-player adrenaline rush, sailing on the high pixelated seas, dodging pirates, might be just what some of us need to get our tails more than spinning! Yarr!

[Slayerik]

Brogina, it's as if we are your daily diary.

Each thing I read is all like "I'm", "me", "you"....

For this Halloween, I might just dress up as Brogina, I'll be all like "OooOOoOooO!"

It's Brogina's world, we're just killing him in it.

[Brogina]

Brogina, it's as if we are your daily diary.

Each thing I read is all like "I'm", "me", "you"....

For this Halloween, I might just dress up as Brogina, I'll be all like "OooOOoOooO!"

Funny guy. I look forward to killing you in game. :) Besides i said i aint like that.

[Romp]

Also I guess I'll try to be serious briefly:

Do any of you supporting 1 account per IP just not want to share the game with your girlfriends', or do you simply just not want a girlfriend?

No offense if your answer is the latter, I'm just going to suggest perhaps a little two-player adrenaline rush, sailing on the high pixelated seas, dodging pirates, might be just what some of us need to get our tails more than spinning! Yarr!

There's no reason you can't implement some form of check to ensure the couple aren't one and the same for the vast minority of players planning on playing the game with their girlfriends.

Personally, hell would have to freeze over before my girlfriend became interested in any game, yet alone UO, and especially on, I guess, a veteran-centric shard that doesn't hold your hand.

Also, just to be cryptic and address a prior post, I'm not sure if you only just found out what a proxy is champ, but most of us have been using them since before the 2000's. Just do you don't keep preaching to the quire about super-secret ways to log in with a different I.P, it's pretty bread-and-butter stuff.

You'd be surprised how much faith a community of knowledgeable people actually give to a server if there's rules enforced. Not all of us set out to break rules and disturb the quality of a game. Just because we know a thing doesn't mean we'll do it. Hell, if we all lacked this kind of willpower I'd have probably stabbed half of the people I've ever argued with in the face.

[Jay]

Not once is my girlfriend playing UO, or any mmo for that matter unless it involves picking out what shoes to put with which hand bag.

[Brogina]

Also, just to be cryptic and address a prior post, I'm not sure if you only just found out what a proxy is champ, but most of us have been using them since before the 2000's. Just do you don't keep preaching to the quire about super-secret ways to log in with a different I.P, it's pretty bread-and-butter stuff.

Proxy is strictly an http thing. Its not simple and i will wire you 10,000 dollars now if you can tell me without google how to get uo to run on one. But clearly you dont know how, or you would not have said "Running UO on a proxy, which is only http, is bread and butter" To sum it up, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Jay]

Proxy is strictly an http thing. Its not simple and i will wire you 10,000 dollars now if you can tell me without google how to get uo to run on one. But clearly you dont know how, or you would not have said "Running UO on a proxy, which is only http, is bread and butter" To sum it up, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Eh, I think you're picking a losing argument this time (possibly again? I don't even know anymore)... If anyone I know knows this shit it's him...

[Brogina]

Eh, I think you're picking a losing argument this time (possibly again? I don't even know anymore)... If anyone I know knows this shit it's him...

Clearly he hasnt a clue what hes talking about, or he assumes i dont. What do you mean by again?

Either way, he is entirely wrong.

[Diz]

Pr0x0red ur megahurtz, oh noes!

Rofl where the f is this convo going, what a tangent.

[Brogina]

I dont know. But when someone in r/l pats me on the head and says "champ" they invite a good ol fashioned stabbing upon themselves. Especially, when they patronize you over something which they know little about. Suppose ive yet to grow up.

[Jay]

Pr0x0red ur megahurtz, oh noes!

Rofl where the f is this convo going, what a tangent.

I try and avoid commenting on Brogina things after my "I'm just going to skip over your posts from now on" bit a week or so ago, but sometimes I just cant help myself (like when it involves a friend) but it's true... Every conversation do end up reading involving him just turns into a shit fight tangent going nowhere fast.

[Diz]

Bro - Maybe it's more the uncontrollable rage and thirst for blood that drives you, not anything silly bout "growing up" Pfft...

[Brogina]

Why do people always equate vulgarity with rage? Why do i have to be angry? Why cant i just be crude?
But yeah, population control is not a bad thing in any way ;)

[Diz]

Dude you've posted twice today about killing people IRL. Seems a lil ragey to me. Just lookin the horse in the grill mane.

[Brogina]

invite a good stabbing? That was a joke. And population control is not just attainable through murder. Vasectomies and tube tying to the lower tier is a good start.

[Brogina]

I try and avoid commenting on Brogina things after my "I'm just going to skip over your posts from now on" bit a week or so ago, but sometimes I just cant help myself (like when it involves a friend) but it's true... Every conversation do end up reading involving him just turns into a shit fight tangent going nowhere fast.

Hey, since you ive refrained from being belligerent. But when someone insults me (aka "champ") i tend to not respond well.

[Diz]

Well if you ever decide to kill someone IRL, which I'm totally NOT condoning, could you make it someone worthwhile like Lady Gaga or anybody who plays for the New York Yankees, thanks. If you need help with rage I can sell you medication from mexico, I'll have one of my eight trillion bots post a spam link in the off-topic forum for ya, it's totally NOT a problem at all.

[Brogina]

I was thinking more the Red Sox.

[Diz]

That works anything that helps keep my Rays from slipping back into obscurity in the AL East.

[Brogina]

Could you live in a world without the pope?

[Diz]

Only if we asked him to perform a single miracle, in which he helped us get this thread back on track.

[Brogina]

Fine. I go back to my initial argument. Anyone who knows how to get around being caught for opening multiple accounts potentially knows how to bring a server down. If you make a law, you have to enforce it. I personally dont believe its a battle worth fighting.

[Diz]

K. But most people aren't vincdictive, antisocial asshats, either.

But yes, just like real life, the internet contains people you don't want to piss off and would like to avoid.

You can either bend to their desires, you can fight it forever, or you can ignore it completely. How that relates to accounts and registration and enforcement of game policy remains to be seen.

I'm in the same boat, have always been; one account would create a much more realistic game world, but it's impractical in enforcement in the standard setting of UO in 2010 on an indie server. Hmm, predicament.........

[Brogina]

Im all for 1 account. All for it. But i personally feel that the risk of banning the wrong person outweighs the benefits of enforcing 1 account.

[Jay]

Shit, I have to throw us off the topic for 2 seconds just to completely encourage you to killing Lady Gaga. With that said. All hail the first good free shard in (ever) I don't know how long to limit players to 1 account per person.

[Brogina]

Lady gaga is crazy talented. Check her out on youtube playing piano and singing before she became famous.......

[Jay]

Lady gaga is crazy talented. Check her out on youtube playing piano and singing before she became famous.......

She's a horrible singer, she can play piano but I've heard live things she has done like that and her voice is really all over the place.

[Brogina]

Shes probably high. I dunno, i saw youtube videos of her long before she was famous and adopted this signature *style* and i was blown away.

[Brogina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_hHc7TZjyY No way does this person deserve to die. Ben Bernake on the otherhand..........

[Diz]

Ok so just to recap the past two pages of tangents and bullshit -

Brogina and Diz are in agreement that two accounts per IP is just right. Not only for the sake of fair play, but to try and keep flak off the server like disgruntled players who DO get caught offsides.
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Because we agree upon these principles in theory, our covenant must have been the divine work of the pope because the convo was REALLY out there before I prayed.

Now because the pope performed this miracle, the fact has been presented that he does not exist. Because the pope does not exist yet performs miracles can only lead to one viable explanation - cosmic microwave background radiation manifesting itself as a supreme omnipotent omniscient diety.*
Clearly there is no god, space dust runs this bitch, and two accounts is not the best but most practical way.

But then Bro goes and says Lady Gaga is talented. All offers are off the table now and negotiations are over. I am retracting my said offer of contractual compliance. No agreement. You need to come back when you are ready to talk smack about Lady Gaga, sir.

[Brogina]

CHECK OUT THE LINK!!! CHECK OUT THE LINK!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_hHc7TZjyY I SWEAR ITS TRUE!!!

[Diz]

No. Just... no.

[Jay]

Lol I'll check out the link when I get a chance but I'm still strongly supporting 1 account regardless to the talent (or lack there of) Lady Gaga posess(ed/es) :)

[Brogina]

Lol I'll check out the link when I get a chance but I'm still strongly supporting 1 account regardless to the talent (or lack there of) Lady Gaga posess(ed/es) :)

It is hereby decreed that all decisions henceforth will be decided by Lady Gaga

[Romp]

Proxy is strictly an http thing. Its not simple and i will wire you 10,000 dollars now if you can tell me without google how to get uo to run on one. But clearly you dont know how, or you would not have said "Running UO on a proxy, which is only http, is bread and butter" To sum it up, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You seem like a bit of a sociopath and I was going to just not reply to this 3 pages ago. So instead of feeling like I'm biting I'll just let the world have one less stupid person in it and inform you of how violently wrong you are. First, a bit of background. I have a Bc in Computer science and have been working as a network administrator and security analyst for Novell for just over 15 years. I don't normally choose to berate as it's a double edged sword (never confusing knowledge with wisdom, coming across like wanker etc) but in this case you are overly defensive and horrendously wrong, to a degree which nearly caused me to have an aneurysm from the bubbles disguised as stupidity entering the blood vessels of my brain in RE: your post.

I feel that I probably have to link you to Wikipedia, because people like you often confuse facts for attacks, and attacks as opinions. I'm guessing you're probably so head strong you won't read it, but that's the difference between stupid people and successfulness (that's a word, look that up too).

In short, here is your link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server (what you go through to mask, can be done in a variety of ways, using SOCKS4 for pure TCP connections, but not always)

And in conclusion, you are referring strictly to a HTTP Proxy - which is not exclusive of the technology (as you've stated) but simply a component which can be emulated using other protocols.

When you're done replying in a flurry of "but buts", know that I still think you're a champion.

[Brogina]

Listen here you condescending prick. Would you like me to cut and paste my posts as to how to proxy , for example uo. I specifically mentioned socks.

You portray this aura of superiority because of the manner i spoke to you , when the manner i spoke to you was simply because i assumed you to not know what you are talking about. Evidently you do. Either way, getting uo to run on proxy is not "bread and butter", which is you initial statement. How many people on here (oh and novell, lol. Hope you know linux otherwise ull be out of a job soon) could mask their ip on uo , or wow? LIkely not many, which was the initial intent of what i was saying. You though, coming on here and being a prick showing how "knowledgeable" you are by saying nothing i already havent just makes you an insecure douche who has something to prove.

I find it rather amusing that you work 9-5 until you are in your late sixties early seventies saving for retirement/pension and you assume that successful. That sir , is enslavement.

[Brogina]

If you know as much as a ba in cs would, you would know how incredibly easy it is for 1 person to cause an unstoppable shitstorm. So, are you trying to goad me into lashing out?

[Az]

Okay, we're going to have to relax in here. I don't want to lock the thread.

[Romp]

Listen here you condescending prick.

You called?


oh and novell, lol. Hope you know linux otherwise ull be out of a job soon

We only use Linux. SuSe. And as far as my being out of a job, *yawn*. If that were possible, I'd have enough redundancy to sit around for the next 5 years and make stupid posts on forums like you (and be cheering). Though, in your case, I'd probably go back to my grass-roots and take a few English lessons; (this is called a field day at the expense of your emotions).

Anyway tiger, you take care now.

xxxooo

[Romp]

Okay, we're going to have to relax in here. I don't want to lock the thread.

Sorry, I was making my post as you posted. I'm done.

[Diz]

If Lady Gaga is allowed to proxy and have 2 accounts while the rest of the players only have one, then the New York Yankees WILL ddoss IPY.

[Brogina]

Well thats good. Novell is shit.

There is a differences of being out of a job, and not working. Big diff. You make , around 100k a year. 100k a year. With taxes and inflation you are looking at around 60k a year depending on where you live. My advice to you making that little of something which has absolutely no value, start buying gold. Now. By the time you reach retirement, all those hundreds you put away will be worth pennies.

But again, you said nothing new. Posted nothing new. You just wanted to act as if you are superior. Which you arent. If i were as haughty as you were i would talk about quantum mechanics and differential equations. I would mention m-theory and laplace. I would talk about all of the things i know which you dont even have the capacity to comprehend. But ya, you took a 4 year course offered at nearly every single community college on the planet. All hail the brilliant nihilist. Fucking twat.

edit: any ba in cs will know more about computers than one without. Only thing better than you is an engineer. But then, you of all people should know how simplistic this shit is , and how easy it is to learn. Any 15 year old kid can go onto hacker forums and within hours learn how to bring down ebay, facebook and twitter simultaneously. You know this. Which leads me to conclude you are trying to goad me into lashing out on az. Which im not going to do.