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Violent Beard
June 17th, 2011, 02:59 PM
This is not intended to be a rant, rage or flame post and it's not intended to call out any of the staff all whom are probably busy with a bunch of different things. Please keep it civil. I'm putting it up here, partly because I haven't heard anything from staff and partly to put some pressure to attend the many issues of stealing treasuries.

Since I haven't had a reply from Seneschal in a few days despite having mailed them, I'll just post it here.

We've been bugged out of 4/5 treasuries so far:
1) Jhelom: Was not able to place the treasury anywhere in the Magincia treasury room. No gold from that.
2) Moonglow: Successfull steal.
3) Minoc: Was stolen by Skara Brae (while we controlled the city) and put under three day lockdown. Were not able to steal it again.
4) Occlo attempt one: Broke down the treasury walls. Stole it during the OCB timeslot on sunday, but was returned during the fighting and put under 3 day lockdown.

My main point is this fifth item on the list:
5) Occlo attempt two (after waiting 3 days): Broke down the treasury walls again. Stole it. Had it going down to 2 hours on the timer. Nobody had noticed it was gone, a ton of Chaos people were at my tournament. Nobody mentioned it, nobody had been at the Occlo treasury room to check on the treasury. I was in the throne room with animal walls and ten elder wizards ready to spawn as many as was necesary, keeping an eye on it at all times. There were multiple magincia milita online to call on were things to go wrong. Then suddenly server reset happens. On server up the treasury is gone and has been returned to Occlo again and put under a 3 day lockdown (thus impossible to steal before the next OCB timeslot).

So instead of being able to steal Occlo possibly twice and certainly at least once (granting us a nice between 400 - 600k), we manage to steal it zero times. From what I heard from Harack (haven't confirmed this any further), the treasury was put back in Magincia later that evening while we were all asleep, and someone walked in and grabbed it to return it. There's no challenge in taking a treasury back if nobody is online to guard it. So, if that's the case, please tell me you do not intend to call that fair ^^

I have talked to many in the Magincia militia and a lot of people are frustrated. I know you may have a lot of other things to do, but please understand that I will plead the case that we should get that money from the 2nd steal, manually added to our treasury if need be.

Treasuries are the only real OCB end game and I *sincerely* hope you will not just neglect this. A lot of people work hard for this during the OCB timeslots and we spend a lot of time and resources to get something done. This shard is free, but if you invite people to play I think there's some degree of responsibility towards the players too.

Here are some screenshots:

From Trent: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9889/trent6152329.jpg when we stole it originally
From after the server up, showing the defense: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/violentbeard6152326.jpg/ didn't realize I said that when I took the screenshot ^^


Thanks

/Violent Beard

Stormieqt
June 17th, 2011, 11:11 PM
There have been a lot of bugs with treasury theft, just ask Moxie. I'm glad they are even stealable currently. I feel the system just needs a few tweaks to get it perfect and prevent abuse.

I know how you feel about feeling like that money should be manually added, but I think you are just another victim of a king/treasury bug like the many before you. In regards to point 3, Skara actually lost ~172k from that bug, from the taxes that were automatically calculated but looked over upon the manual fix of it (This is a guess, but the math is right and I know what we had before). It never got fixed and I gave up on it, I don't want to hassle staff, and with the militia disburse thing, I feel like I have lost any power to fight for it.

I'm fairly sure none of the steals moxie did were manually added either. I think we just have to civilly request an update/fix/tweak and hope it happens before more people lose out on opportunities.

Violent Beard
June 17th, 2011, 11:26 PM
There have been a lot of bugs with treasury theft, just ask Moxie. I'm glad they are even stealable currently. I feel the system just needs a few tweaks to get it perfect and prevent abuse.

I know how you feel about feeling like that money should be manually added, but I think you are just another victim of a king/treasury bug like the many before you. In regards to point 3, Skara actually lost ~172k from that bug, from the taxes that were automatically calculated but looked over upon the manual fix of it (This is a guess, but the math is right and I know what we had before). It never got fixed and I gave up on it, I don't want to hassle staff, and with the militia disburse thing, I feel like I have lost any power to fight for it.

I'm fairly sure none of the steals moxie did were manually added either. I think we just have to civilly request an update/fix/tweak and hope it happens before more people lose out on opportunities.

*Especially* since it has already been bugged so many times, now is the time to get this stuff fixed. I'm not gonna call it fair just because other people (including Magincia many times) have been screwed over by bugs ^^ Still no reply by the way, only from Tilly at the day of the theft when she said to ask Seneschal. I do think it is a pretty huge slap in the face to the people who want to play the OCB to just overlook this and all the previous bugged treasuries too.

Stylish
June 18th, 2011, 09:12 AM
Magincia is cursed... we've stolen treasuries alot but we never get any money anyway =(

Tilly
June 18th, 2011, 01:33 PM
We sincerely apologize for the glitches with the Treasuries.. I know it may feel like we are not listening, but we really have been. Az and Sen are currently working on the fixes, it is just time consuming as you can imagine.. I have been hassling them on behalf of everyone, almost hourly! :P

Violent Beard
June 18th, 2011, 02:51 PM
We sincerely apologize for the glitches with the Treasuries.. I know it may feel like we are not listening, but we really have been. Az and Sen are currently working on the fixes, it is just time consuming as you can imagine.. I have been hassling them on behalf of everyone, almost hourly! :P

Thanks I appreciate it ^^

Stormieqt
June 18th, 2011, 10:49 PM
We sincerely apologize for the glitches with the Treasuries.. I know it may feel like we are not listening, but we really have been. Az and Sen are currently working on the fixes, it is just time consuming as you can imagine.. I have been hassling them on behalf of everyone, almost hourly! :P

This kind of response is exactly what I think the community is craving now, on many issues. Even if fixes aren't done in an hour, a day, a week, a response saying something very similar to yours has an amazing calming and reassuring effect.

Thank you for that. :)

Dewderonomy
June 18th, 2011, 11:00 PM
I concur.

Violent Beard
June 19th, 2011, 06:59 PM
This kind of response is exactly what I think the community is craving now, on many issues. Even if fixes aren't done in an hour, a day, a week, a response saying something very similar to yours has an amazing calming and reassuring effect.

Thank you for that. :)

That &... where's our money? ^^

Stormieqt
June 19th, 2011, 10:03 PM
That &... where's our money? ^^

I don't see skara getting its 172k from the bug, so I wouldn't get your hopes up about that :P I think we just have to move on

Violent Beard
June 19th, 2011, 10:05 PM
I don't see skara getting its 172k from the bug, so I wouldn't get your hopes up about that :P I think we just have to move on

Well, my condoleances to you. Where's our money? ^^

Violent Beard
June 27th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Still no response!

Want your stag mask armor patched? - Respond in 1 minute.
Want to get the gold from a treasury theft you and a whole group of people worked hard for? - No response in weeks.

Sumeyr
June 27th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Nobody had noticed it was gone, a ton of Chaos people were at my tournament.

Great way to ensure no one goes to your tournaments anymore.

Violent Beard
June 27th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Great way to ensure no one goes to your tournaments anymore.

Was a bad idea of me, making sure lots of enemy militia was online to see the server message instead of being logged out ^^ Luckily noone paid attention.

Tilly
June 27th, 2011, 06:51 PM
I am afraid that we will not be able to refund any of the treasuries. However, we have already put in a number of fixes and we are fine tuning and working on the rest so that this sort of thing does not happen in the future.